Whats left?

“Some believers accuse skeptics of having nothing left but a dull, cold, scientific world. I am left only with art, music, literature, theatre, the magnificence of nature, mathematics, the human spirit, sex, the cosmos, friendship, history, science, imagination, dreams, oceans, mountains, love, and the wonder of birth. That’ll do for me!”

– Lynne Kelly



10 thoughts on “Whats left?

  1. Good day,

    This is actually a reply to your post about death and afterlife. Have you ever given consideration to the fact that our consciousness, the base part of who we are, is the result of matter interacting in a specific configuration. Given the likely infinite nature of the omniverse, it is inevitable that your consciousness will reappear. I have been reading about naturalist pantheists for the last few days and the common view that death is it really didn’t seem to jive with me or the views espoused by its adherents. Life, then, is to death what dreams are to the unconscious period of sleep.

    I take comfort in the fact that the universe and I are here now. We may not know exactly what preceded the Big Bang or what will proceed in the far, far future when the universe as we know it ceases to be. Regardless, the cosmos has shown our existence is a non-zero probability. I believe it will only be a matter of time before my consciousness is reconstituted in the event I die.

    I decided to post this here instead of the other post of yours. I wanted to make certain you saw this because I was unsure if you would see comments for prior entries.

  2. Thanks Vorg, that’s an interesting idea and I don’t totally discount the idea that there may be some afterlife, but for now I have seen no evidence to support the idea, especially considering the evidence against having any immortal soul is pretty strong.

    • My idea of afterlife does not involve an immortal soul. Your consciousness will simply manifest itself again when the matter reconstitutes itself eventually. No memories. Your former self essentially dies, but your consciousness persists. While not traditionally immortal, the infinite and eternal nature of the cosmos ensures your return. It is a completely material approach to the question of life after death.

      • The same way in which your consciousness arose in the first place. The chance arrangement of matter that gave way to your being. Consciousness and memory are not the same thing. Your consciousness would persist in the absence of memories. As for consciousness, I consider it to be entirely of material origin, although I think it is a quantum phenomenon as related by Penrose and Hameroff.

        Now I consider myself to be familiar with naturalistic pantheism, so I think this is entirely compatible with the view held by its adherents. The ‘omniverse,’ that which gives rises to universes, is eternal and from it will spring forth endless amounts of universes like ours. Those universes will eventually have the right conditions that will lead to the rebirth of my consciousness as it has this time. I am, after all, merely matter of a certain, although constantly shifting, configuration.

  3. You are up early! Heh. 🙂

    I just think it is completely logical when one considers the nature of the universe. I have always been an atheist, but only in the last year did I come to this conclusion. It is just something I never thought of. Death was death. For whatever reason, I just had an epiphany one day. And I have been exploring the concept ever since. So if it took me 26 years to reach this conclusion, I hardly expect most people to have come to it.

    “That is not dead which can eternal lie. And with strange aeons even death may die.” Always felt that was an apt quote by HP Lovecraft. Also really cool, hah!

      • Meant to add that I am seeing this concept being explored by a lot of people, too. Seems like it is growing in popularity. I am not going to lie, though. While I find comfort in it, it is still kind of dreadful. Endless reincarnations with only your stream of consciousness to unite them. Some will fare better, others will fare worse, but none will ever have the benefit of experience.

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